HYH Meeting 2012-12-27
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Agenda
- Note Taker: User:rrix
- Moderator: Austin Kipp
- Number of Members Present: 12
Announcements
- Any cool new projects? Something you want everyone to know?
- Any happenings that people should be aware of?
Financial Report
- Funds in bank: ##FIXME## (Can be seen at Financial Report.)
Proposals
Replace RAS with BOSCH Table Saw
- Proposed by Ben Humphreys
- Proposed on 10/12/22 18:32
I propose that HeatSync Labs remove the Radial Arm Saw and purchase a BOSCH 4100-09<http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=4100-09> Table saw to replace it. The BOSCH 4100-09 is $550 at Lowes.<http://www.lowes.com/pd_36_0__?productId=1208633> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_QtKBJmJOOM/UMaA2z_TRLI/AAAAAAAACO4/zQ-gRx0kcQw/s1600/IMG_20121207_165822.jpg> * The Big Picture * *What equipment is it you want to see added to the lab? *A table saw! * What capabilities does this equipment give us? *Table saws are the single most versatile woodworking tools there are. This would allow us to make very precise cuts at a variety of angles. It would allow us to rip very large pieces of wood. It can even be used to square off edges in place of a jointer. The cuts are also easily repeatable on multiple planks of wood. Adding this to our band saw, jig saw, router, and other handheld tools opens up a very broad range of woodworking possibilities. * How does this equipment further the goals of HeatSync lab? *Wood is a very versatile medium, and quite cheap too. Woodworking has been the most common way of making things since the dawn of time. The ability to craft wooden objects large and small complements our other capabilities, and would allow people more ways to create and build things. * * <https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hZfsVLglVGk/UMZ-XV9E52I/AAAAAAAACOY/a7K2DbsCYfM/s1600/IMG_20121210_164003.jpg> <https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iIF6vvrfzY0/UMZ9bJCq2YI/AAAAAAAACNo/Mp0tBlHN_fY/s1600/IMG_20121210_165119.jpg><https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-jTdkhBam2xw/UMZ9ikiF-JI/AAAAAAAACNw/O3FVsuyhFQw/s1600/IMG_20121210_165104.jpg> * Available Lab Resources * * What safety risks does the machine pose? *This machine will maim and dismember any human parts that get in the way of the blade. The 4 horsepower motor will shred flesh easier than the wood it is designed to cut. To reduce the odds of this, the machine has a clearly marked red zone around the blade, and comes with a detachable blade guard. It also includes a push-stick, to allow you to move the wood forwards while keeping your hands at a safe distance. The blade height is adjustable, to be sure it is no higher than necessary. When not in use, it can be retracted into the table entirely. * What space is there within the lab available to store and operate it? *The saw will take the position the RAS currently occupies. The RAS measures 33"x39", or 8.9 sq. ft. This saw measures 46"x28" when fully setup, also 8.9 sq ft. The table saw is 11" shallower, and 13" wider than the RAS. The cart the saw is on allows the saw to be stored more compactly, by folding up. When folded up, the saw occupies 28"x29", or 5.6 sq ft. Removing the RAS will free up enough space to store the table saw. And because it is on a portable cart, it can be moved outside if more workspace is necessary. * What sort of power is available to run the machine? *The same 20 amp circuit that the rest of the shop runs on. The motor has a peak current draw of 15 amps, so while the machine is operating, it is best not to be using other power tools on the same circuit, for risk of overloading it. This same risk is true of the majority of the larger power tools we have. * What space is available to store additional accessories and materials? *The machine itself has space and compartments to store a couple extra blades and its own accessories. The space that is currently occupied by wood can accommodate more of it. * Machine Specifics * * What machine (make, model, etc) do you propose we get? *The BOSCH 4100-09 * What other alternative models are available? *This table saw is the nicest portable table saw available. The only upgrade would be to a large stationary table saw. Dewalt, Porter Cable, and Skil all offer table saws that are less expensive. * What makes the chosen machine the best option for the lab? *The table saw is the most used and most versatile wood working tool. It is worth investing enough to be sure you have a good quality one because it is bound to get used a lot. This table saw, of all the portable saws I have compared in person, feels the most durable and solid. The Porter Cable that was suggested by the self-declared "wood shop champions" has the additional feature of an outboard feed support. But the rail is much less sturdy, and the measurement indicator is not magnified and is less precise. A nicer model by Dewalt that retails for $450 lacks a very good measurement system as well. * What specific safety risks apply to that specific machine? *None that do not also apply to most table saws in general. * How much space does the machine occupy? *Fully upright with table extended, it occupies $46"x28". This is 11" shallower than the RAS it will replace, and 13" wider than the RAS. * How much space must there be around the machine to operate it safely? *Enough space must be around the machine to load the wood and push it through. It varies depending on what is being cut. Plywood sheets will need much more space to be cut than lengths of 2x4. * Can the lab provide the necessary power to run that machine? *Provided few to no other power tools operate on the same circuit, yes. * What accessories, additional equipment, and consumable materials will be necessary to use the machine effectively and efficiently? *Extra saw-blades should be kept on hand for replacement when they get dull. And different saw-blades can be used for different things. Blades with fewer teeth cut faster and more aggressively, but leave a rough finish. Blades with a lot of teeth cut slowly but leave a much nicer finish. Finer toothed blades can be used to cut plastic and acrylic as well. * What sort of training might members need to use the machine correctly? *A quick run-down and demonstration of the different features unique to this saw, such as the folding stand and blade guard, should be demonstrated to anyone before they use it. This would not have to be part of a formal class necessarily. * What safety rules may be necessary in using the machine? *Keep all fingers and flesh outside of the red zone. Use the blade guard as much as possible. Retract the blade when you are not using it. Make use of the push stick where necessary. * Who would provide any necessary training on the machine? * Most of the people in the lab should familiarize themselves with it enough to be able to help someone else with it. It would also be good to include in any general shop safety classes. *Affordability * *Can We Afford It? *Yes. Marita generously donated $500 of her own money, and is in the process of getting an additional $1000 from her workplace, all for woodworking tools. Brian and Paul have each pledged to donate $200 towards woodworking equipment. * How much does the machine cost? *Lowes sells this for $550. * How much do additional accessories, tools, and raw materials cost? *The saw-blades range from $12 to as much as $60. All the ones necessary for our purposes can be had for less than $20 each. 4'x8' plywood sheets start at $15. 2"x4"x8' planks are $2.53 each. We have a small assortment of scrap and lumber already. Additional boards are inexpensive. * What is the total cost of the machine with all necessary accessories, tools, and raw materials for members to begin using the machine? *$550 includes the machine and one blade, enough to begin use immediately. We already have a small stockpile of lumber and scraps of wood. It is worth considering purchasing additional blades and wood in the near future with the woodworking funds. * What funds are currently available for use towards purchasing this machine? *Marita has deposited $500 already for woodworking tools. An additional $1200 has been pledged between Brian, Paul, and Marita. * Are there other large purchases on the horizon that may require some of the available funds? *Many other woodworking tools are under intense debate. But I feel that a table saw is the best place to start, and the most important single tool to acquire. * Where might this machine purchase fit into the long-term financial goals of HeatSync Labs? *In the near future, we have the possibility of moving to a new location, and/or extensive electrical renovations. These would be extremely expensive, and it is best to save up for those. This tool will be paid for with funds donated specifically for this purpose, leaving the general funds available for those future purchases. ********** Sawdust Another thing worth noting is the question of the amount of sawdust this will create. The sawdust outlet points horizontally out from behind the machine. This is a fantastic way to send sawdust everywhere. I suggest making a right-angle pipe from PVC to redirect the dust onto the floor. Clearing up the floor with a shop vacuum or broom is much easier than getting the dust out of all the nooks and crannies it has flown into. It appears to be about the right size to possibly connect the shop vacuum directly to that port. An adapter could possibly be fashioned, allowing the shop vacuum to act as a dust collection system. ********** Most Lowes locations seem to stock this table saw, as well as Home Depot. I suggest going in person to view one, and compare for yourself against the other available options.
Discussion
Much group cornhole regarding the state of various things online, Brian answered blhack's questions about the machines, basically everything is storaable in a small space and it shouldn't be an issue
- RESULT: 5 for, 3 against. PASS
Purchase Miter Saw and stand/Table Saw/Dust Collector
- Proposed by: Brian Aday
- Proposed on: 20/12/12 23:33
A significant number of people have expressed interest in adding a woodworking capability to Heatsync labs. The tools detailed below form the foundation of that capability. *I propose we purchase: * *Table Saw $299 + tax - No Shipping:* http://www.lowes.com/pd_89913-46069-PCB220TS_0__?productId=3163783&Ntt=mobile+table+saw&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dmobile%2Btable%2Bsaw&facetInfo= *Dust Collection $199 + tax - No Shipping: * http://www.harborfreight.com/2-hp-industrial-5-micron-dust-collector-97869.html *Miter Saw $499 + tax - No Shipping:* http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202220984/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=sliding+compound+miter&storeId=10051#.UKwNbKqa98E *Portable Miter Saw Stand $199 + tax - No Shipping:* http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202935041/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=rolling+miter+saw+stand&storeId=10051#.UNPfT29QV8E ** ** I have had a few requests to set up an in-person meeting to answer questions on this purchase. The meeting will be held Wednesday 26 December from 5-7 pm at Heatsync. This gives us time to work out any details and create amendments before the 7 PM deadline. Amendments contingent on the passage of Jacobs amendment reform. Thank you to everyone who has expressed their support and worked on this initiative! Your enthusiasm has been invaluable. I am looking forward to seeing all the amazing projects these wood shop tools will help you create.
Discussion
The table saw purchased above will supersed the table saw in this proposal.
- RESULT: 5 for, 4 against. PASS
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